Just started listening. We must defeat the drunken instruments of our nature. I hark back to the “master’s tools versus self-mastery” point briefly entertained in another thread here on Nance’s Substack.
Yeah dude, the type of instrumentalization we put ourselves through in order to "free us up" to indulge in our humanity must, necessarily, be a type that Capital can't capture...
I got a third of the way through this listening on the drive to work. This whole conversation is fire. Im really captivated by the threads of exploration that you have been following lately Nance. They have been a constant voice in my head in recent weeks as I have been trying to unpack a lot of my thoughts and prepare some pieces of writing.
Okay dude, I replied once, but I'm not seeing it... Maybe it's here and it's just the horrible Android interface on this app that's keeping me from seeing it. Anyway. Thank you. Reading this comment was touching. When I was writing a blog for many years, many years ago, I would sometimes get comments from people that were touching. I would sometimes even become emotionally invested and develop some rapport with people - shit, I once even thought that this gnarly lesbian from Chicago had fallen in love with me, by way of my words, and we were going to blaze some digital path to mutual freedom - but, eventually we stopped talking to each other because I, at the time, was a Brave and Edgy Communist, and she decided I was a misogynist for some reason I can't remember. So, while I thought I was "communicating" in the past, it was, at the end of the day, all one-sided. I'm happy that I've been able to keep you company of late, but I'm more excited to see/hear/read your response to it all! I do, in fact, feel like a freewheeling dipshit just flailing into The Future, but, the fact that I'm not alone, that there are other people invested in this journey alongside me, makes it Real in a way that I am convinced makes a difference!! Thank you for your kind words, but more than that, thank you for your Work!!! Fuck Shit Up!
This is my 5th piece of writing. It’s really long, but fleshes out one of the main frame works that Im going to be using to think and theorise through. https://substack.com/home/post/p-151608887 Its really long, and many not be interesting. But I feel like it’s a potential way forward, in regards to Daves thoughts on Why Left? about if left and right is even a good way to think about emancipation, and a different frame that can work with your humanist project and work along side time energy theory. This is more about method rather than destination, but it could be an interesting new perspective. Lakoff’s Metaphors we live by, an Hofstadters Godel Escher and Bach were really big influences on my thought over the last 10 years. Ive not seen many other people in the theory space or continental philosophy space engage with them, so it could give some interesting insights.
This is my fourth piece that I feel like responds to and tarries with my processing of a lot of things, including your ideas and questions. https://substack.com/home/post/p-151608338
Here is my new “manifesto” for my new writing project. Its a bit on the nose and over the top, but its supposed to be a bit of a riff on the communist manifesto, which was followed up by Das Capital, and this over the top manifestio will be followed up by some deeper more thorough work. https://substack.com/home/post/p-151607293
Thanks Nance. Ive been following theory underground for a few months now. Listening my way through probably a hundred hours of content from the last year. It feels like I have stumbled upon a group of people who actually “get it” and have an actual meaningful way of being and existing in the modern world. I have stopped writing for the past 2 or so years, it felt like no one was interested and no one cared, or understood what was going on in the world. Ive spent the last 2 years, working a job, and just listening and reading. Lots of communist stuff, but that kind of eventually started to feel like a bit of dead end that was disconnected from reality. Anyway. listening to all the back and forth sharing of ideas from theory underground has really inspired me to start thinking more deeply, and has revealed some paths out of my deadlock. Ive spent the last few weeks trying to structure my growing thoughts into something cohesive, and just tonight I managed to get the first few puzzle pieces into some shape and published them here. But through out this last few weeks out of all the theory underground content, it has been your words and thoughts that have resonated most with me and have led me most clearly into the contradictions that were most pertinent to my intellectually roadblocks. This conversation reminded me of some of my writing from two years ago, when I was playing with trying to write metaphorical theory poetry. Revisiting this through your talk of trying to find a romantic humanist project, made a number of disparate things click for me. I really appreciate you position of being black pilled but still retaining hope for humanity. I feel like two of my old pieces of theory poetry, speak to my exploration of similar ideas, but filtered through different influence and priors, than yourself and theory underground. revisiting these pieces of writing, helped me coalesce a number of my other threads of though and tie them together into a cohesive direction for my new writing project. Which I just managed to get ready enough to post tonight. So if you are interested in reading a number of threads of thought that I feel are tarrying with similar concepts and contradictions as you are, but with some different approaches and perspective, feel free to read the posts I share here. The first two are short, the 3rd is a bit longer, and the last two are long and very long. Feel free to engage with it in your own time or not at all. Im tentatively putting ideas out here and am very open to having made mistakes or being ignorant or incorrect. https://petethepolymath.substack.com/p/solitude
Rudi!!!!!!! I’m so happy! It’s so great to see him, and gosh this was an outstanding discussion. It touched on all the major issues today, and that question on if the fullest potential of Capital is in the Concrete Other, or if the Concrete Other must be a prior, is really critical. I think about that a lot. I’m also taken by the notion that we today need to “make revolutionary potential visible.” Stunning articulation. Well done to you both!
Thank you my friend! It was great to talk to Rudi! He kinda nailed me to the wall there, but I think he then helped me down gracefully. Whether or not there is even anything we can "do" is such a frustrating question, but I feel like dancing around it with Rudi was fun and satisfying in a way, and I got some clarity about my own thoughts and beliefs I would not have otherwise achieved! Rudi's such a great guy!!!
Just started listening. We must defeat the drunken instruments of our nature. I hark back to the “master’s tools versus self-mastery” point briefly entertained in another thread here on Nance’s Substack.
Yeah dude, the type of instrumentalization we put ourselves through in order to "free us up" to indulge in our humanity must, necessarily, be a type that Capital can't capture...
I got a third of the way through this listening on the drive to work. This whole conversation is fire. Im really captivated by the threads of exploration that you have been following lately Nance. They have been a constant voice in my head in recent weeks as I have been trying to unpack a lot of my thoughts and prepare some pieces of writing.
Okay dude, I replied once, but I'm not seeing it... Maybe it's here and it's just the horrible Android interface on this app that's keeping me from seeing it. Anyway. Thank you. Reading this comment was touching. When I was writing a blog for many years, many years ago, I would sometimes get comments from people that were touching. I would sometimes even become emotionally invested and develop some rapport with people - shit, I once even thought that this gnarly lesbian from Chicago had fallen in love with me, by way of my words, and we were going to blaze some digital path to mutual freedom - but, eventually we stopped talking to each other because I, at the time, was a Brave and Edgy Communist, and she decided I was a misogynist for some reason I can't remember. So, while I thought I was "communicating" in the past, it was, at the end of the day, all one-sided. I'm happy that I've been able to keep you company of late, but I'm more excited to see/hear/read your response to it all! I do, in fact, feel like a freewheeling dipshit just flailing into The Future, but, the fact that I'm not alone, that there are other people invested in this journey alongside me, makes it Real in a way that I am convinced makes a difference!! Thank you for your kind words, but more than that, thank you for your Work!!! Fuck Shit Up!
This is my 5th piece of writing. It’s really long, but fleshes out one of the main frame works that Im going to be using to think and theorise through. https://substack.com/home/post/p-151608887 Its really long, and many not be interesting. But I feel like it’s a potential way forward, in regards to Daves thoughts on Why Left? about if left and right is even a good way to think about emancipation, and a different frame that can work with your humanist project and work along side time energy theory. This is more about method rather than destination, but it could be an interesting new perspective. Lakoff’s Metaphors we live by, an Hofstadters Godel Escher and Bach were really big influences on my thought over the last 10 years. Ive not seen many other people in the theory space or continental philosophy space engage with them, so it could give some interesting insights.
This is my fourth piece that I feel like responds to and tarries with my processing of a lot of things, including your ideas and questions. https://substack.com/home/post/p-151608338
Here is my new “manifesto” for my new writing project. Its a bit on the nose and over the top, but its supposed to be a bit of a riff on the communist manifesto, which was followed up by Das Capital, and this over the top manifestio will be followed up by some deeper more thorough work. https://substack.com/home/post/p-151607293
Here is the second piece of theory poetry. https://substack.com/@petethepolymath/p-52797129
Thanks Nance. Ive been following theory underground for a few months now. Listening my way through probably a hundred hours of content from the last year. It feels like I have stumbled upon a group of people who actually “get it” and have an actual meaningful way of being and existing in the modern world. I have stopped writing for the past 2 or so years, it felt like no one was interested and no one cared, or understood what was going on in the world. Ive spent the last 2 years, working a job, and just listening and reading. Lots of communist stuff, but that kind of eventually started to feel like a bit of dead end that was disconnected from reality. Anyway. listening to all the back and forth sharing of ideas from theory underground has really inspired me to start thinking more deeply, and has revealed some paths out of my deadlock. Ive spent the last few weeks trying to structure my growing thoughts into something cohesive, and just tonight I managed to get the first few puzzle pieces into some shape and published them here. But through out this last few weeks out of all the theory underground content, it has been your words and thoughts that have resonated most with me and have led me most clearly into the contradictions that were most pertinent to my intellectually roadblocks. This conversation reminded me of some of my writing from two years ago, when I was playing with trying to write metaphorical theory poetry. Revisiting this through your talk of trying to find a romantic humanist project, made a number of disparate things click for me. I really appreciate you position of being black pilled but still retaining hope for humanity. I feel like two of my old pieces of theory poetry, speak to my exploration of similar ideas, but filtered through different influence and priors, than yourself and theory underground. revisiting these pieces of writing, helped me coalesce a number of my other threads of though and tie them together into a cohesive direction for my new writing project. Which I just managed to get ready enough to post tonight. So if you are interested in reading a number of threads of thought that I feel are tarrying with similar concepts and contradictions as you are, but with some different approaches and perspective, feel free to read the posts I share here. The first two are short, the 3rd is a bit longer, and the last two are long and very long. Feel free to engage with it in your own time or not at all. Im tentatively putting ideas out here and am very open to having made mistakes or being ignorant or incorrect. https://petethepolymath.substack.com/p/solitude
Hell yeah dude!!!!!!
Fucking 🔥
Rudi!!!!!!! I’m so happy! It’s so great to see him, and gosh this was an outstanding discussion. It touched on all the major issues today, and that question on if the fullest potential of Capital is in the Concrete Other, or if the Concrete Other must be a prior, is really critical. I think about that a lot. I’m also taken by the notion that we today need to “make revolutionary potential visible.” Stunning articulation. Well done to you both!
Thank you my friend! It was great to talk to Rudi! He kinda nailed me to the wall there, but I think he then helped me down gracefully. Whether or not there is even anything we can "do" is such a frustrating question, but I feel like dancing around it with Rudi was fun and satisfying in a way, and I got some clarity about my own thoughts and beliefs I would not have otherwise achieved! Rudi's such a great guy!!!
It was a marvelous discussion, one I will reference in future work. I strongly resonate with the tension and loved how you both gave it voice.